Interview with Thomas Jockin

Thomas Jockin is passionate about type! AND he’s teaching Typography 1 on Sunday afternoons at Queens College, Spring 2016.


Thomas Jockin at Typ Thursdays

KW: Tell us a little bit about your background?
TJ: I was born on Long Island, NY to an Irish father and Egyptian mother back in 1986. As I was growing up, I always loved drawing and painting. That was my original plan for my art career. Then I discovered “End of Print” the monogram of David Carson. I loved how he “painted” with letters. That was something I didn’t even think was possible.

KW: Why did you decide to pursue a Communications Design degree and why Parsons School of Design ?
TJ: My parents hadn’t had saved for me to go to college so it all came down to which of the art schools I applied to could offer in scholarship. Parsons came on top, so I went there. But that one choice would change my whole life direction. In my sophomore year, I had the type designer Joshua Darden as my Typography 1 instructor.

KW: When did you decide type design would be your calling? (What did you find appealing about type design, what types of skills did you possess that made you feel you would be successful)?
TJ: Meeting Joshua Darden was what made me a typeface designer. I had an interest in typography — in that paintery way David Carson used it — but I knew nothing about typeface design. He spoke of the history of written language, the emotional capacity in design, the complexity of technology. I was sold by the end of that first lecture. With the first lecture Josh gave the class, at 19, I knew I wanted to think like he did. If I had to become to typeface design to gain that way to thinking, so be it.

Typography and type design is characterized as this super nerdy, technical and logical discipline. I had none of that. I was a messy, chaotic, passionate kid; The last person you would expect to become a typeface designer. And yet, here I am. What made this possible was my absolute conviction that is discipline is worth my investment and to buy in to that commitment no matter what. That’s the skill you need to possess to become anything you want to become.


KW: What was your first job after graduating Parsons (and how did you find it and what types of projects did you work on)? How many jobs did you hold before you became an independent studio?
TJ: I went straight to an independent designer out of Parsons. I apprenticed under Joshua Darden from sophomore year until I graduated. From that point, I was on my own. Finding, developing and managing client relationships was critical to me making it as a designer. When you work for yourself, you accept the responsibly for all aspects of the business and your relationship with your clients. That may seem like a lot, but I weight that less than my freedom.

Garçon Poster

Garcon Poster © Thomas Jockin

KW: Why did you pursue a postgraduate certificate in Typeface design at Cooper Union and how did the experience impact your career?
TJ: After my apprenticeship with Josh, I had a crippling inadequacy inside me. I thought I was just a shadow of Josh, without anything unique to offer. I was producing typography and type design for clients, but never on the public retail market. My original plan was to save to attend the acclaimed KABK graduate program for typeface design.

I was in the process of saving for that program when I was chatting with Jessica Hische at a TDC talk and she pointed out that Cooper Union was starting a type design program in New York City. The deadline was that Friday at midnight and it was Thursday. I made it just in time for the application deadline and a month or so later I received a call from the TDC’s director Carol Wahler I was accepted into the inaugural class.

The program had a dramatic improvement in my career. Just being in a class with great designers like Nick Sherman and Carlos Pagan really pushed me to do my best work. The instructors also pushed me to become a better typeface designer. By the end of that program I stripped away that horrible sense of inadequacy I had since I left apprenticing under Josh; I did have unique and valuable perspective in my craft. Since then, I’ve published 3 typeface families retail, and had the pleasure to work with clients such as Express, Foot Locker and Starbucks. Going to Type@Cooper was the best decision I made for my career.

Garçon Grotesque in use.

Garcon in use.

KW: Tell us about the typefaces you have designed?
TJ: Well, my first retail typeface, Garçon Grotesque was a simple brief; I can I make Copperplate Gothic better? Copperplate was one of those default design choices people make when they want to be fancy, stately, and stable. Instead of whining about poor choices, Garçon was my attempt to make this model work better. I did a big write up about the design process of the influential typography website, I Love Typography.


Ductus © Thomas Jockin






Ductus © Thomas Jockin

Ductus © Thomas Jockin

My second was Ductus, study on the fundamental of typeface design, the broad-nib pen. Ductus was originally from a client brief that got killed, but I was drawn to the idea of the fundamentals of calligraphy and flow.

Ductus in use ©Thomas Jockin.

Ductus in use ©Thomas Jockin.





Ductus in use © Thomas Jockin

Ductus in use © Thomas Jockin

My most recent release, Azote, also came from an client brief that was killed. The brief was for this multiline font that the strokes would get thicker in each weight. Nothing wrong with that, but it’s not very exciting either. I came back with the crazy idea, “well, what if the typeface adds lines to for weight?” That simple idea took almost 3 years to get done. But I do love the results, and I’m very excited to expand on the project.

@Thomsa Jockin

Azote @Thomsa Jockin

Universally my least favorite part of the process is kerning. Not because it’s tedious; but because in kerning the entire system of your design will be tested. A lot of times there will be a drawing or spacing decision that kerning exposed; you then have to go back and make the adjustment. If that adjustment affects a fundamental aspect of the design — say for example the rounds are too loose in spacing and too round in shape, you’ll have to make those corrections to every single character that has a round. That may cost you tens of hours to correct. It’s a very stressful period of the design process to say the least.

KW: When did you start to box? And what is the relationship of boxing to typography?
TJ: I started boxing three years ago when I spent a year in Portland, Or. I was overweight and always wanted to pick up boxing. Pardon the pun, but I was absolutely hooked. I loved how the lessons of timing, rhythm and spacing from type design directly related to boxing. How deeply one understands these simple fundamentals is the difference between the amateur and the professional.

TypeThursdays © Thomas Jockin

Type Thursdays © Thomas Jockin

KW: What is TypeThursday?
TJ: TypeThursday is a meeting place for people who love letters that I organize. This includes online interviews with world-class type designers and users. As well as monthly type crits/ meet-ups in Brooklyn. TypeThursday’s mission is to welcome those who use and make type. To offer those who use type a chance to learn more about the complexities of typeface design. For those who make type, to offer a venue to develop their skills and be more informed about our craft. I recommend readers to check out our interviews on Medium , or check out our meet-ups on Facebook .



KW: What are your predictions for typographic design in the next decade?
TJ:As for the next decade, more robust typographic abilities on the web and apps are the trend. The kind of typographic expression possible will explode. Safari 9.1 now supports advance opentype features, finally catching up to the other modern web browsers.Frameworks that are easy to install and lightweight bring the robust print opentype options to the web designer today.

KW: What are your go-to typefaces for design projects?
TJ: A typeface I’ll make myself! Kidding aside, while I am biased because I worked on the project, the Freight Superfamily  is a masterpiece of type design.

KW: If you were a typeface, what typeface would you be?
TJ: My typeface, Azote. Formal discipline with an exuberant personality.

KW: Any recent typefaces released in the past year that knocked your socks off?
TJ: Obsidian: Hoefler & Co.; Dala Prisma: Commercial Type; Pakati: KLIM Type; Hobeaux: OHno Type Co.; and Frauen; and Lucas Sharp/ VLLG.

KW: What skills do you need to be successful in this field? How much is technology impacting typeface design? What advice do you have for students wishing to pursue a similar career?
TJ: You’ll need a mix of the logic of the programmer, mastery of figure-ground relations of the painter, the firmness and understanding of the salesman. Coming to resolution to the contradictory nature of type design is the key to success.

Technology is in every aspect of type design. Written language itself is a technology. But it’s better to say technology mediates everything in type design—How the printer or screen renders your outlines? How to automate repetitive tasks with programing? How type is distributed to anyone with an internet connection?

KW: If you had unlimited funds, what would be your dream project?
TJ: To develop a typeface library for every language in the world. A kind of Tower of Babel.

KW: What was the best piece of advice you ever received?
Be the strength for others to act.

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